Rookies

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2003 5:19 pm

As many of you have noticed we were going to do Rookies (which we've had in the works, but on the back burner for quite a while) but it turns out A-M is doing it as a project. Even though i could argue that our translations and scans would be better quality, there is really no point in doing something thats already being done at a pretty good quality. Plus we've already got a full plate of baseball manga coming up, including Hanao, Stopper Busujima and very soon H2.

This topic is however to discuss how cool rookies really is, its like great teacher onizuka, just the teacher has more redeaming qualities... As much as i like GTO from what i've read of Rookies i think Rookies has it beat.

-Ian

Street Musician Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Posts: 530

Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2003 10:49 am

My critisism was mainly based on levels of experience, Stephen is by no means the best translator. However i have confidence in his skill and experience.
As for GTO vs. Rookies, i never said i didn't like GTO, in fact i was the one who spent 60$ to get the Japanese dvd of the movie. However i think rookies is just more likeable...

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 5:54 pm

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in fact i was the one who spent 60$ to get the Japanese dvd of the movie

The live-action one?

Anyway, I don't dislike GTO, but I agree with Izumi that Rookies has it beat. I do agree with nanashi that GTO has a 90s feel to it, but I thought it resorted too much to easy stereotypes and cheap caricatures at times. It's really not that risque to portray members of the teaching faculty as clueless jerks (except for the ones you're supposed to like, of course), however mercilessly it's done, when your target audience is teenage boys who probably think that anyway. Every time Fujisawa tried to make the readers laugh, successfully, I suppose, considering GTO's popularity, at the poor teachers' expense, I was thinking, man, this is too easy.

Rookies provides a much more positive outlook, where the author takes an effort to provide more depth to his characters. And by depth, I don't mean the simple and tired, "oh, but the ostensibly hopeless delinquent is really a good person inside" type of depth. Well, okay, I guess Rookies has that in abundance as well, but Morita makes it a hell of a lot more believable than Fujisawa did. I think Rookies takes a lot more risks than GTO, because the message it sends is a lot harder to sell to today's cynical teenagers. One wrong step could turn it into an unpalatably sappy and corny series, but Morita avoids that by doing just about everything right, for which I admire him.

Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 6:41 pm

Yeah, the live action one, Takeshi Sorimachi in a suit... Hmmm I think i liked the dorama better.

Fan Boy Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Posts: 8 Location: NYC

now it might seem as if I'm pooping on someones party >,< But my group, www.ignition-one.com, did H2 some time ago, we made it up to chapter 3, but then got an email from Adachi Universe that they wanted to do it and it would be nice if we stopped, so we did. They haven't updated their H2 in a longggg time, and their edits are the oogliest things known to man (for h2 at least).

So my translator expressed that he wants to pick it back up, which we are going to do. I am gonna scan in volume 1-4 sometime this weekend, and my translator is dedicated and could bang out a volume a day if need be.

Hopefully this doesn't ruin plans for potential releases by you guys. If anything a joint project would worth it, so we could distribute work loads, etc. Though I have already asked you guys about helping with I'll, which btw I found 2 willing french tranlsators so far from my group. Anyways, my site is www.ignition-one.com, take a chance to check it out, lemme know if you wanna double team the h2/I'll as well, thanks ^_~

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:39 am

We have 2 volumes translated (quite well mind you) and we're already pretty far ahead in scanning. I suggest that if you want to make the offer to do this as a joint project, you should come a little more humble. Its great that you want to do joint projects, however it has not been seen wether your group can actually produce what it claims. If you wanted to do a joint project you should have asked first for details on our status, and worked with us, not against us.
So what i want to know is are you willing to take one for the team and come in at the ground floor, instead of trying to call the shots.
We are currently scanning volumes 3 and 4 so that stephen can translate them, although we don't have HQ scans of volumes 1 and 2 to my knowledge, however if you worked with hyah (our scanner) stephen (our translator) and medic (our editor) you would find that this could be a very successful project.

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:39 am

we've already scanned volume 3 of h2 and working on volume 4. i'm re-writing my translations for the first two volumes and we have people here ready to edit anything we've got as soon as i give them translations, so there's not much need for a joint project... however, if you want to do 1-2 there might be some kind of arrangement we could possibly work out.

edit: blast! a few seconds too late :) well, now you have two opinions.

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:45 am

If you provided say HQ scans for the first 2 volumes, and maybe every other volume after 4, that would be a very reasonable start to being a joint project. If we were also going to be joint on editing and translation then you'd have to work that out with individual personnel; like stephen.

Ps. sorry for stepping on your toes stephen... just hard to give up leadership when i'm such a good leader!

Fan Boy Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Posts: 8 Location: NYC

Wow, really really sorry, I did not mean to come off with a cavalier attitude >,< So sorry one more time about that.

Actually I was going to ask for some details on how far you guys have gotten into processing, translation, etc. But it seems as though you have already laid that down for me.

I would be more than glad to help scan in every other volume, as that would speed up the project very nicely.

Question about hyah's scans. Does he/she do one page at a time vertically or 2 pages at a time horizontaly (spelling is off).

I am going to the city today actually, in an hour or so to pick up more manga for my team, if you reply as soon as I hope, maybe you can let me know if you want me to pick up volumes 5+. I would have no problem in buying the next 5-10 volumes, as they are only $3-4 a piece where I go.

I feel a joint project will be very effective if both teams are willing to cooperate at level that is not equal always, but more of compromise. This means that it will not always be %50 %50 on decision making, and it will vary %60 %40 in your favor, or my own in some situations, but always so that we benefit as a whole.

I am really interested in taking up the project, as well as taking it up with your group, I really hope it is possible, since it will allow both our teams to not lose manpower by focussing on one project.

Hope I didnt sound to cavalier on this reply as well ^^;; If I did sorry >,<

Hope to hear from you soon!

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 11:12 am

Stephen?

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 1:22 pm

hyah scans double spreads at once, so it will be necessary to split the pics and remove gutters, etc. as far as volumes are concerned, i believe he has most of the series already; if he looks at this thread i'm sure he could let you know the details. at any rate, having a discussion in the irc channel would probably be the most efficient way to continue this conversation...

Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:46 pm

Man, i'm really frustrated.. We stopped doing Rookies, but A-S isn't even putting Rookies on their page, so i can't read it. This is frustrating >_<
Must have Rookies!!

Scoundrel Joined: 17 Feb 2003 Posts: 403

Yeah.. I've been scanning it two pages at a time.. ive gotten to the point where there's very little blur and really only noticeable when there are sound effects, bubbles or parts of the picture that go into the spinal area... i'm a fairly new scanner so if theres a way to avoid that lemme know Surprised

gutter shadows
Anyways yeah if wanted to see the scanning I've done and give me tips.. switch off or whatever that's fine with me. I have H2: 1-23 and 31-34
so 7 books left to complete the series which I will probably purchase next week since I might as well have the complete series even if I am not scanning it all... yeah uhm email me at daniel.chow@attbi.com if you want to talk at all about that Surprised

or tell stephen what you want me to do and i'm sure he'll pass it along :/

Fan Boy Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Posts: 8 Location: NYC

Nice to meet you ^_~
I spoke a little with stephen, and I gave him some samples of my scanning techniques. To my knowledge he liked em, very very little gutter shadow, if any. Ill contact you and exchange tips ^_~